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Title: Latest Q Sales Numbers
Post by: Rider Ron on July 27, 2019, 07:24:31 PM
Here is Revzilla's take:

https://www.revzilla.com/common-tread/sales-keep-declining-for-us-motorcycle-manufacturers-but-turnaround-plans-are-in-place

Ron
Title: Re: Latest Q Sales Numbers
Post by: 01rk on August 14, 2019, 07:56:45 AM
The tariffs probably hurt, but what hurts more is the 30k+ price tags. HD needs a reality check. People working for $15-20/hr cannot afford the damn things.
Title: Re: Latest Q Sales Numbers
Post by: AbueloBill on August 14, 2019, 11:09:51 AM
The tariffs probably hurt, but what hurts more is the 30k+ price tags. HD needs a reality check. People working for $15-20/hr cannot afford the damn things.

$30k+ would hurt, but I don't think Harley plans or intends to sell very many.  What they have done is a proof of concept, showing they can do it.  Now that they have, they could or should build what the customer base says they want.

The days of "If we build it they will come" have past (think Sony and Honda, among others).  I see the Harley product line slimming down but the big twins will continue in some fashion.  Don't know about the Sportsters or the Streets.  I have a 1200c and my sales buddy says they never see any more Customs being shipped in by Harley, yet after some upgrades mine seems to be the ideal bike for day trips and general riding around.   

When you think of the differing Harley lines that came and are gone you have to wonder how many more tries HD has left.  The V-Rods, for example, and even the Dynas are gone, and perhaps the Streets are next.  They keep trying, but the Softails as an example, aren't getting the floor space they used to at my local dealer.  Seems HD concentrates on the Touring line (and T-shirts) at the expense of the lower margin lines.  Is an electric line going to be their salvation, or will it be dropped like the others.  Depends, I guess, on how the sales force responds and customer demand.  Advertising shifts the demand curve, and I get ads via email every day. 

What would I buy as a replacement bike?  Probably not a Harley.  Not a criticism of the bikes, just what they offer now isn't where I am going.  I'm in my mid 70s, been riding since January 1996 with somewhat over 200k miles and with one asphalt lunch I walked away from.  Would like a lighter bike, possibly some dirt road capability and comfortable enough for touring, shaft or belt drive, 750 cc +/- range, decent mileage, Euro compliant.  I won't be doing any Iron Butt rides but I do have grandkids on each coast and I'd like to ride back to see them like I used to, (Honda Shadow and VTX, and a SuperGlide, not the Sporty).

Off my soap box for awhile.   

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Title: Re: Latest Q Sales Numbers
Post by: Rider Ron on August 14, 2019, 03:07:36 PM
Good points, Bill.
Title: Re: Latest Q Sales Numbers
Post by: Nowhereman on August 15, 2019, 06:28:13 AM
What we need are well done kit bikes that don't have to go thru Hell to get registered.
Some years ago you culd buy a kit and build it on the cheap.
I understand about the insurance thing but that can be worked out also.
HD is full of themselves as you can see from their E bike embarrassment.
Title: Re: Latest Q Sales Numbers
Post by: 01rk on August 15, 2019, 11:20:08 AM
As I said in another thread you don't any 20 somethings in the showrooms, HD aint their style. On our trip we stopped for an oil change at a dealer,
we were the only people in there, 35 bikes on the floor and no customers!